Re: !> Former Governor Jesse Ventura Goes Public: 9-11 Was An Inside

Hertz Donut wrote:
> "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message 

>> 6 years of made up shit, fraudulent quotes, and
>> parotted opinions from non-experts

> Al...it's all they have!  

  What's really notable, is that some of these non-experts
actually got their made up shit spewed through millions
of TVs all over the globe - like Thomas Eagar's claim that
the central cores consisted of a series of horizontal slabs
somehow suspended in space. A blatant, deliberate, and gross
misrepresentation of the evidence, but that's close enough
for government propaganda guzzling/puking cartoon conspiracy
sheep...  <chuckle>

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/eagar_nova/nova_eagar1_files/coll_wtcdesign.jpg

  Myself and others who work to expose the truth about 9-11 portray
the massive central core structures accurately. This is what they
looked like in reality. The Bush regime's puppets also denied
the very existence of the cores. That's another gross misrepresentation
of the evidence.

  http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

  http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1cons1.html

  Your ruling masters resort to lies and imaginary structures
portrayed in drawings, because actual photo evidence and facts
prove their cartoon kook theories to be impossible.

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/eagar_nova/nova_eagar1.html

  I see there are no facts, research, or references
in your k00k rant, either. Facts, expert research, and
evidence scare the hell out conspiracy k00ks. That's why
neither you, no any other Bush parroting k00k can explain
how your magic fires caused the huge explosions discussed
below, or any of the other compelling evidence proving
demolition. So, you make shit up, cite non-experts, and spew
k00k drivel instead.

  Let us know if you dispute or don't understand any of
what is written in Kevin Ryan's paper below.


  Videos of "squibs":

   http://tinyurl.com/3hohw3


  Squibs everywhere, but especially at the 10 and
20 second marks:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjfoXbyffso&feature=related



  http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/Ryan_HVBD.pdf

  "In videos we can see these bursts being ejected from the sides of the
towers nearly thirty floors below the collapse front.[3] The bursts
continue throughout the duration of each tower?s destruction, and all of
them are similar in shape and velocity. Each of these was a sharp
emission that appeared to come from a point-like source, ejecting
approximately 50 to 100 feet from the side of the building in a fraction
of a second. From the extracted frames of the KTLA video (ref. 2), we
can estimate that one of the first bursts was fully ejected in
approximately 0.45 seconds. This gives an average burst velocity of
approximately 170 feet per second (fps). Others have estimated the
velocity of these ejections at over 1100 fps.[4]
These bursts were ignored by government investigators for a period of
several years, as was all other evidence for the demolition hypothesis.
But after being forced to field many ?frequently asked questions?,
NIST?s Shyam Sunder finally provided a semiofficial explanation. In a
March 2005 article by Popular Mechanics, Sunder called these bursts
?puffs of dust?, and explained "When you have a significant portion of
a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the
window. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled
demolition, but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."[5]
   Unfortunately for Sunder, NIST was forced to abandon that answer, in
the summer of 2006, saying ?NIST?s findings do not support the ?pancake
theory? of collapse.? In an attempt to maintain their faltering
fire-induced collapse hypothesis, NIST tried to retain the essence of
the explanation, despite having forsaken pancaking floors. They did so
by saying ?the falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of
it?much like the action of a piston?forcing smoke and debris out the
windows as the stories below failed sequentially.?[6]
3
Although the piston analogy might have made some minimal sense for the
discarded pancake theory, it does not work at all for NIST?s current
pile-driver theory. A piston is a sliding shaft that fits within an
enclosed cylinder, whose action within the cylinder causes the volume
and pressure to change. But the WTC buildings did not have sections
acting like pistons at any time before, or during, their disintegration.
Without pancaking floors, there is no internal shaft to slide down
within the ?enclosed cylinder? of these tall buildings.
Because the government scientists never did any physical testing to
support this latest compression argument, we must try to imagine for
ourselves how the disintegrating building could have created the
ejections of debris.
   To be the result of overpressures created from the falling mass, these
bursts had to emanate from highly pressurized containers that were
tightly sealed on all sides except the point of ejection. With his 2005
pancaking floors hypothesis, NIST?s Shyam Sunder suggested that these
pressurized containers were entire floor areas, compressed by the
falling mass. The reason these containers cannot be smaller than a full
floor area is because the office floors were wide-open spaces, with no
floor to ceiling partitions as normally found in other office buildings.
The effective partition-less area in each floor was approximately 3000
square meters.

   It?s difficult to imagine how 283 steel columns in each of the Twin
Towers could have been compressed so rapidly and uniformly, while
collapsing at nearly free-fall speed through a vertical distance of 350
meters. But even if this feature of the fire-induced hypothesis was a
given, to initiate the gas pressure below, we would need to imagine the
falling mass as a flat plate, or a continuous sheet, exerting uniform
pressure at all points. If discontinuous, the falling mass would allow
pressure to be released upward. But we can infer that the falling mass
was probably not a uniform flat plate or a continuous sheet because
workers who cleaned up the site described how the debris at ground zero
was all pulverized, except for the steel assemblies. Photographic
evidence (as in Fig. 1 above) also indicates that the falling debris,
which appeared to explode outward to some extent, was cloud-like. Such
cloud-like debris could not form the continuous falling surface that
would be needed to create the downward pressure and compress the air
below.
   The lack of a continuous compressive force in itself repudiates the
compressive piston hypothesis. But it is not enough to simply discredit
this latest weak answer from NIST. By showing how completely ineffective
NIST?s new argument is, we can better understand how desperate those
supporting the government?s ever-changing fire-based hypotheses have
become. Not only was there no way to compress the gas below, the floors
were not air tight, enclosed containers either, which means that, even
if the falling mass could exert a uniform downward pressure, it would
not be contained. There were eight large air supply and return
ventilation shafts located in the core areas of each floor.[7] There
were also three stairwells running throughout the building, and over
thirty elevator shafts at any given level. Any compressed air would have
had to equilibrate with open stairwells and elevator shafts, and with
any openings from these shafts to other parts of the building (i.e.
vent ducts). Additionally, we know that the fire in the north tower in
1975 was spread by means of openings in the floor slabs, of more than
one square foot area, used to transfer telephone cables.[8] All of these
facts indicate that any pressurized air would be forced to equilibrate
over large sections of the building, if not the entire lower section,
and could not be contained on one floor alone.




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  Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

  http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html
  http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

  On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

  http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
  http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

  Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
  U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
  http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
  http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

   "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
  there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
  take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
  who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
  warfare or morality."
  -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
   http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

  http://www.commondreams.org/
  http://thirdworldtraveler.com/

  "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
  that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

   "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

   Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
   friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...