Re: Barak Flip-Flops On The American Flag Pin On Lapel

"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> As for terrorists, the next go around (War of 1812) was largely 
>>>>>>>> about the Crown instigating Indian tribes to murder American 
>>>>>>>> settlers' families.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And here was me thinking it was all a nasty US plot to steal Canada 
>>>>>>> while the British were busy saving the world from the tyranny of 
>>>>>>> Napoleon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As usual, you got it ass backwards.
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>>>>> You mean Nappy was trying to save the world from Perfidious Albion?
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>>>> You're admitting Britain encouraged the tribes to commit terrorism 
>>>> against American settlers on the frontier.
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>>> It wasn't called 'terrorism' then.  You're using modern terms and modern 
>>> morality on an event far away in history.
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>> They were killing women and children. Torturing people to death, etc.
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> That,  I'm afraid,  is colonial warfare.
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> It was all a long time ago.  Try not to get emotionally involved.

Yes, something like the British concentration camps in the Boer War where so 
many Boer women and children died.....

You see, the point is not how people view it now, the point is that the 
British instigation of Indians to attack and murder frontier American 
families, was ** BACK THEN ** a major American motivation in the War of 
1812.
    Americna newspapers of the time show that.

Try to stay aware of the subject matter.


>> Whatever it was called back then, you're agreeing that Britain was 
>> encouraging Indians to wage war on American frontier settlers.

> My understanding is that the limit of encouragement was the giving of arms 
> to people who wished to defend their homes.

If Britain were worried about "people who wished to defend their homes", 
they wouldn't have colonized India, or forced China to buy its narcotics.



>>>> If there had been any serous plans to do that, they would have had the 
>>>> US military in a state of readiness instead of neglect, going into the 
>>>> War of 1812.
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>>> Well no.
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>>> The 'war party' was also against the expansion of the US military.
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>>> It's an odd thing but the infant US Navy discovered that if people were 
>>> 'for' the war they'd also be for the contraction of the US Navy...
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>> The US military was depleted and disorganized becasue Jefferson 
>> (President: 1801-1809) didn't believe in a standing military, or in wars, 
>> or even a strong central government.
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> An internal matter.
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> That was a problem for the US government and not the British Empire

Ridiculous reply.

You said the US intended to invade Canada. I showed there was no real intent 
or else the US would not have let its military forces approach 
non-existence.


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>>> What,  of course,  you are quite wilfully forgetting is that Britain was 
>>> fully engaged in fighting what today would be considered a world war, 
>>> and what the US was doing was a cynical land grab while the 'cat' was 
>>> otherwise occupied.
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>>> Do you honestly think the British government would start a war with the 
>>> USA when fully engaged on the European continent?
>>>
>>> Do you honestly think that a British Empire,  and the largest and most 
>>> powerful navy in the world, with nothing else on its mind would be 
>>> troubled by a small power on the fringes of civilisation?
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>> Britain had been involved in balance of power conflicts for a long time, 
>> even all the way through the American Revolution.
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> And still is.
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> It is usually called 'divide and rule'.  The British Empire was very good 
> at it.
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> So what?

Hilarious!

So now you're agreeing with me.